it's still ungoverned, i have the core son i want as al-qaeda, the origin alice lammic call -- islamic cal fate right there -- caliphate right there. that's what kunar potentially gives. again, i think the glass is more than half full. kunar will not elect, the people will not elect that kind of, those kind of transnational groups to really infest and come back in. >> tell me why, why you think that some to have local dynamics that you've seen that make you think that, um, some of the local folks in kunar perhaps accept these groups because they use force rather than because they share ideology. >> absolutely. coercion is a big piece of this. i mean, there's coercion. we had several groups go into villages and kidnap men and women and hold them hostage so the village would turn and support whatever element that went in there. that happened in kunar. and, actually, that was one of the guys we were chasing down pretty hard the entire time we were there. he was just an absolute sociopath. but i think more it's from what i saw al-qaeda or whomever comes in there and tries to take over the whol